The Living Tribunal's domain is the multiverse he's from, the Beyonder is the entire surrounding Beyond personified. Goku vs Pre Recton Beyonder. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. The Beginners Guide To Comics:. Have not seen any impressive feats by the Angel duo. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Protege wouldn't have been able to copy Beyonder's powers unless he allowed it. This is Marvel Vs Dc to see who has had the biggest Villain threats of all time. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. PR Beyonder - rendered 3 dimensional and was upset by it and confused by it once he left his Beyond realm and entered Marvels multiverse. Molecule Man : r/whowouldwin. PR Beyonder, on the other hand, treated Galactus like a bug. But Beyonder not only owned the entire MU, he did it casually, and his reality warping makes GEB's powers a non-factor. LT gets rekt by beings above multiversal power, Dax Mandrakk was going to eat all of creation, including everything outside the multiverse that made the multiverse look miniscule. -5. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. Follow 16064. Minor nitpick. Build Your Own Omnitrix. PR Beyonder would blink Superman 1 million (whether gold or Kal kent) into non-existence. @majestic99. Lucifer and Michael are powerhouses but so is PR Beyonder. Ite. He's an Evil Genius AND an Evil Sorceror who lives in a Dracula-castle. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. (unless he wills himself otherwise alla Rachel Summers. He was said to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel universe(?). If Iron Man can. I don't know a. Doom. And even then some endless beat pr beyonder. Alot of people seem to have hard time giving HOM Wanda her due. 13 years. What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that. He is another universe, pre-big bang. Forum Posts. The Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Best Answer. 0. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. Fulcrum. If it's spiderman with the power of PR Beyonder then he should win. Jul 30, 2018. Forum Posts. Beyonder 39%. This is the battle of the greatest Feat :)483K subscribers in the whowouldwin community. Representing Marvel:ThanosDr DoomPre-recton BeyondeSorry Merc. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . Celestials > Post-Retcon Beyonder > Phoenix Force. Darkseid depends, but i think a hakai would destroy an avatar. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. I got this idea from the "PR-Beyonder vs Galactus" thread. Hard to call in terms of power. Random encounter. 4 years ago. The Beyonder is a young member of the ancient race of multiversal engineers known as The Beyonders, and by far its most infamous and well-known one. Following Secret Wars and Secret Wars II, the Beyonder experienced many notable retcons. @traskindustries: He reminds me of Beyonder because of his pictures, not because. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesRound 1: Thanos has 1 month. So currently it doesn’t matter if you take PR-Beyonder or the current one, both are from the beyond - and as such subjects to the Phoenix‘ judgement and rely on her to exist. Phoenix is on par with those guys. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. 0. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in. Ultra (Ultraman) 4. Beerus might have trouble with thor, shazam, and POSSIBLY wonder woman due to their godly and magical nature, the rest of the list(up to ten) is easy as pie. MM has the powers of the Beyonders, the Beyonders were still linear beings constrained and restricted by time, they were able to be killed by overwhelming power like Starbrand,. The One Above All. 13 years ago. M. #1. PR-Beyonder was broken, but still not TOAA. vs. And PR Beyonder is possibly the most ridiculously powerful. Besides when PR Beyonder and PR Molecular Man fought , we know MM was Beyonder's only friend. " 13 years ago Pr_BeyonderRandom encounter. ) The main issue here would be whether Beyonder. 0. To put it simply, PR Beyonder barely thinks of destroying John Constantine, in. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. Standard equipment. Bump. Exists alongside all of Heaven in Creation inside of the story. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. So adding that power to the PR Beyonder powered Victor vs IG and CC Thanos makes this a stomp is Dooms favor in my opinion. Has this been done before? the Search function is screwing me over if so. Okay I've got a theory, you're either a bot or a really young kid who's interested in Battleboarding and is just throwing random characters out to see what's happening. Composite Batman includes the Darkest Knight and he’s broken as fuck. Another thing about the. MM solo's. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. Don't worry give it couple of hours and you will see people saying that Odin solo the scpverse Anyway I meant that R3 = R4 = R5, TOAA. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. BEYONDERGOD. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be. The biggest parallel would be the Beyonder, IMO (or possibly the Beyonders). m limits were never exposed. " @Silver2467 said: "The two fought before. It was obvious there that the Pre-Retcon Beyonder would absolutely ra-pe a 100% Galactus. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Thanos with the Regulator both duo together to obliterate all of the other nigh-omnipotent beings in this thread. not_anakin. 0. for PR, i'm more in line with thinking it's going to be a fight you can't imagine. Forum Posts. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. at the time "Don't make me post a pic of you in that one armor. is TOAA, or at least part of him. And how do we know PR Beyonder could blink LT out of existence, he could blink lady death out of. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve seen PR Beyonder has “struggled” in a fight was when he clashed with Molecule Man and when he admitted Classic Doctor Strange could have incapacitate him indefinitely. Crypto@daak1212 said: "@Danilo018 said: "@Pr_Beyonder said: Juggs has become a victim of the hulk affect and is to him former self as the hulk is to Bruce He is taken to neutral plane where cyttorak can. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. Round 3 Pre-retcon Beyonder takes this and with a good level of ease. So adding that power to the PR Beyonder powered Victor vs IG and CC Thanos makes this a stomp is Dooms favor in my opinion. The one below all (TOBA). Location. #1. That was Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Hell is no where near big enough for this fight. Forum Posts. 7. No chance of being omnipotent. Even a fight between Dr Manhattan and Franklin Richards, Manhattan out 9/10 lose. Composite Batman includes the Darkest Knight and he’s broken as fuck. Otherwise we're looking at LT-beating omnipotent vs. PR Beyonder was designated just under TOAA due to his Omnipotence in his own universe or something to that effect. Beyonder wins against Manhattan. Thanos (HOTU) Very debatable. 4 years ago. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Thanos with HOTU vs PR is still argued but do note all the cosmics were begging PR MM to fight Beyonder. 11 years ago. He. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. Manhattan's league. The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. PRB represented the combined power of an entire multiverse, one that was so large it made. #23 Edited By MrDirector786. 4 years ago. lannfear. Forum Posts. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. 3rd. Forum Posts. 02-27-2015, 03:13 AM #3. So yeah PR Beyonder would stomp Lucifer. 815. In your opinion, what is the most impressive feat that any character from history has ever done. "TOAA & The Presence play the same respective roles in DC and Marvel. Everything that could have shown up to stop PR beyonder did, and all of them failed. I do not believe he was omniscient and that is a big difference. No. All of the sudden Deku gets a power up and You Say Run starts playing. Holo-Man • 3 yr. PR Beyonder wins. Wiki Points. Unkindness Raven vs PR Beyonder TheDevil98. So yeah PR Beyonder would stomp Lucifer. Likewise, nothing in Toaru would even constitute a threat to the lowliest monsters in the Scarlet King's army. So Beyonder casually stomping and being above people who casually stomp multiversal beings, is a massive step up. Pre-retcon versions of Beyonder and MM. Wiki Points. Battle has been done so many damn times. ago. Overthinks_Questions • 1 yr. Not only that, but the mirrors contained nothing more than aborted universes. R5: Dr. Morals off. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Current Beyonder should be very close to PR I'd say, they've established that the current version hasn't been retconned to a Ivory King and his final feat was leaving the Marvel multiverse. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Copy. Reviews. [deleted]@Pr_Beyonder said: " can't seem to edit my post anyway Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Spectre vs Storm and Batman is probably the biggest spite Hate to hate on bugs bunny but i've seen 5-D imps do. So because of Doom holding back, Michael can win. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. [deleted]Join Date. 14 years ago Lance. A character debated as though his guns can kill the beyonder, one of the few characters people consider to be able to take on the beyonder or hurt the beyonder. Outside of TOAA, this is the only time and the only being with the right power to top PR Beyonder, imo. ShootingNova. Could not. Ehh closest would be PR Beyonder I guess The closest would be geb i think him and the presence when combined are absolute infinite everything. Reviews: 1. Beyonder by just being angry caused multiversal destruction. Beyonder easily. The guy could probably trick PR Beyonder into. Forum Posts. It has been shown that in Guardians of The Galaxy (1990) #49-50 that The Living Tribunal has judgement over the Beyonder, the same Beyonder people consider to be the PR Beyonder (PR = Pre-Retconned) which iirc takes place around the same time in Fantastic Four (1961) #319 or at the very least has similar continuity. Beyonder wins this, Lucifer along with his brother Michael are equal to LT, and PR Beyonder is better than LT any day of the week. And of course the LT himself. @claymore1998: Not once was PR Beyonder stated to be second only to TOAA. 3rd. FollowAny who PR Beyonder wins against any Jesus since his only "feats" are raising the dead, reviving after 3 days, turning water into wine and some other bits of lesser magic. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen, nigh-omnipotent being from outside the multiverse who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel. Mxy still bitches every Darkseid save for Infinite Frontier since we don’t know yet. 0. Oh so she was the woman people talked about when they say "Beyonder can't be defeated except by that girl who he. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. Beyonder is supose to represent the power the writers themselves have over the comics. vs. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. But tbh I think Lucifer is just a smarter fighter. One Above All (Stan Lee) Fulcrum (Jack Kirby) Living Tribunal. u/nullfather can attest to that. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. 11,059. Pre-Rectonned Beyonder, the most powerful multiverse Cosmic Being Marvel has ever created. Marth Kent rolls up a newspaper and hits him makes him do. 6 years ago deactivated. Marvel has stated that Beyonder is the TOAA of his own reality and the Marvel Universe is only a droplet of water compared to that reality or something to that effect. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. So as we know, Phoenix Force is an extremely powerful entity in Marvel. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. -5. level 2 · 1y. i don,t have a pics but i do no some facts that are apparent: 1 the phoenix force has on. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. PR Beyonder. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. One Above All Wasnt around when PR Beyonder was, people liken PRB to what TOAA would of been at the time. In fact, God Doom, who possessed. Like, guys, just focus on like a planetary thing or even a system wide thing. The Beginners Guide To Comics: Come Join The Discord: Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. Doom with Beyonder's powers was afraid to use even half of it, as he worried it would destroy the universe. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Oh, and Doom has a gun. There no need to insult. Round 5, 6, 7 and 8: same as rounds 1, 2, 3 and 4 except that Batman is bloodlusted, he is working with Doom and Reed Richards and has 100x preparation time. 2. PR Beyonder. Example: I have taken the hill and have the death star watIt can and has been argued that PR Beyonder exceeds TOAA in power, whereas the HotU apparently. Lord Urizen. Michael Demiurge. this may get ugly,good match up imo though. Hulk tanking a hit from Beyonder is an outlier too by the way. " @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Morpheus_ said: "Michael already defeated the Spectre, in the Spectre's own series, no less. Perpetua, due to far surperior feats. lazerbeak. While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @Sexy Merc said: " @Pr_Beyonder: I'm a huge ass Wally fanboy myself. 0. Beyonder has curb-stomped Celestials and even killed Death, a thing that was so irreversible that not even the most powerful of beings could fix it, besides himself. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine Pages@Pr_Beyonder said: " Remember Beyonder's omniscient so. ago. PR Beyonder was also a beast, without equal that was ever created orignally in it's existence (by Marvel). Yes: PR beyonder, PR molecule man, toaa, toba, toba. TOAA is above Thanos with the HOTU, a writer is> the written character. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. PR Beyonder and it’s not a fight. There's a LOT of weird hax in Bleach, not even including Aizen. 14 years ago. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. He couldn't erase Death. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. But if you are ONLY going FEATS wise, then Classic Beyonder takes it. Now picture a third Brother that is so big, the Amalgam Brothers are 2 drops of water next to the ocean. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. Or that the enitre multiverse was stated to be a mere droplet of water. "GL Kilowog >Odin Thor? "Perhaps not in sheer power, but in implementation. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. Well, uh. Win by death, KO, incapPR beyonder's own assession puts him millions of times stronger than the multiverse. Because PR Beyonder was a multiverse personified, so does that mean that each of these new Beyonders are also their own Multiverse? No. 14 years ago Lance. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). The beat LT list is: TOAA, anyone with the Heart of the Universe, PR Beyonder, PR Moleculeman, MoM The match or near match LT list is: and experienced Infinity Gauntlet User The upscale but still. He looks cooler, and has a cooler name. When Thor had the Odin Force, all I had really seen him do. Yeah but I mean the presence is "generally. Post-Retcon Beyonder on the other hand is only a Cube Being, so is much weaker. But if you will include that "symbol of heroism/needed for the story" crap, then remove the beyonder. He was so powerful that nothing in the Marvel Multiverse. If that's true, the Presence would be way weaker then PR Beyonder. PR Beyonder, on the other hand, treated Galactus like a bug. let's wait and see his actual feats. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be. No, they can't adapt to. I think Beyonder wins based on feats. Another statement made about. And the beyonders are destroying the entire Multiverse with no opposition,so they have no equal either. Follow 2797. He was stated to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel multiverse. Follow 8649. To make it a shorter list, Beyonder's presence threatens the whole of the Marvel multiverse, and he sweeps aside the Living Tribunal, Galactus, Doom; everything in it basically. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Followers. The character plays a more antagonistic role in the 1985 sequel, Secret Wars II, in which he takes human form to learn about desire but threatens to destroy the multiverse out of increasing frustration. "@Pr_Beyonder: michael created the but lucifer gave it form, basically its like michael has the universe creating energy but lucifer can manipulate that energy into things,. Follow 334. Followers. Bleach should lose in nearly everything. More recently in some versions TOAA has got more anti feats that PRB in terms of power, with Thanos events involving TOAA go. He. Due to the fact that he is an agent of TOAA (basically god), The Living Tribunal is more powerful than any other entity, including PRB. Round 1: CAS vs. Wiki Points. Doom. Thats why Molecule Man (who is weaker than PR Beyonder, but shares his powers) was able to fix it with little to no effort. Kryptonian (Superman) 2. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. buster wise, and low level reality warper, that stuffPR Beyonder feats, Chuck Norris facts, Woody Wood Pecker whatevers. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. Battle 1SpidermanBatman Captin America Deadpool Storm Magneto Cyclops Wolverine Kitty Pryde Jean Grey(without PF) Juggernaut Red Hulk Savage Hulk Grey@Pr_Beyonder said: " Did Lucifer make an Dc's appearences? or is Vertigo accounted for when refferencing DC(I know they're the same company:P)? " Lucifer made 2 cameo appearances in the third. Michael Demiurgos >> Pre-Retcon Beyonder >>>>> Battler. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. Followers. 13 years ago. His. LT-beating omnipotent. Iirc HotU isn’t allowed in battles given the type of power it is. she is not omnipotent, but PR beyonder and TOAA are, and PR beyonder is at LT level, which means TOAA wins. Follow 3935. He is overrated which makes people think he is this untouchable character but he would get smoked by LT. Martian (Martian Manhunter) 3. this was stated by Jim Shooter the creator of Secret Wars and the beyonder. PR-Beyonder easily, He was (literally) the multiverse outside of marvel, the beyond realm, everything was him and he was everything basically. Follow 15044. ". 7740. Oblivion is just another aspect of Death and Beyonder removed her from reality just like he would Oblivion. Meanwhile, the Presence is said to have been created by external forces and is. PR Beyonder. Lucifer Morningstar vs The Beyonders. 9 years ago. Further to that; Odin, Galactus and, especially Beyonder, are all. Living_Beyonder. Taikyoku is the beginning of all. 13 years agoAnything they can do the PR beyonder can do if not even do better. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. PR Beyonder is barley baseline just through making the beyond verse. #1. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. Originally, the Beyonder was the supreme being of another reality, dragged into the Marvel Multiverse by a failed. R1: PRB toys with Class 1-A, turning Bakugo into fireworks, Mineta grapes, Tsuyu a real frog you get the gist. 0. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence was to. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @FLCL1 said: " @demifiend said: " current mohamed ali "he beats his ass "Muhammad Ali would kick kick ass's ass. this would be no different than me or you creating a character and then saying "oh look he can beat Pr Beyonder". She would stalemate the strongest nigh-omnipotents like PR Beyonder, EDG, etc. pr beyonder was to kill death and all the abstracts (eternity,watcher,LT,galactus,mephisto,celestials) begged him but he killed death anyway. 0. Crom-Cruach. 0. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. Forum Posts. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. He was always holding back, but it seems pr beyonder has issues with magic in marvel. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. ago. ReplyOkay so i want to go to war with the JLA and I'd like to build a team from Viners to do so. Lord Urizen. If allowed, Thanos with HOTU or astral regulator is top tier. Another statement made about. TOAA is above all. @Pr_Beyonder: We Never saw it's limits, But Aang used it to completely seal away phoenix lord Ozai's Fire bending and made it so he "could never hurt anyone ever again. PR Beyonder was the most powerful entity sans TOAA in the marvel multiverse for a time, he was pretty much able to do whatever the hell he wanted, telling The Living Tribunal to fuck off included. His weakness is a lack of understanding of. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder.